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		<title>by: Mexico &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Does Foreign Assistance Reduce Drug Trafficking?</title>
		<link>http://latinamerica.foreignpolicyblogs.com/2008/05/27/uribes-colombia-a-success-against-internal-conflict/#comment-1012</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] On July 18th, the Mexican Navy intercepted a mini submarine that was transporting more than 5 tons of cocaine. This is a significant operation that highlights the ability of Mexican armed forces to combat drug trafficking by air, land, and sea. Bilateral cooperation between the United States and Mexico contributed to the capture of the submarine. Given the current context, it is important to ask whether foreign assistance in the form provided by the Mérida Initiative or Plan Colombia actually reduce drug trafficking. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] On July 18th, the Mexican Navy intercepted a mini submarine that was transporting more than 5 tons of cocaine. This is a significant operation that highlights the ability of Mexican armed forces to combat drug trafficking by air, land, and sea. Bilateral cooperation between the United States and Mexico contributed to the capture of the submarine. Given the current context, it is important to ask whether foreign assistance in the form provided by the Mérida Initiative or Plan Colombia actually reduce drug trafficking. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Latin America &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pages from the Mexico Blog: Drug Cartels and Espionage in the Senate</title>
		<link>http://latinamerica.foreignpolicyblogs.com/2008/05/27/uribes-colombia-a-success-against-internal-conflict/#comment-1004</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] In Alejandro’s post on July 16th, he discusses a report by Mexico’s Attorney General’s Office which claims that more than 80 of 2,500 of Mexico’s municipalities are currently being controlled by Drug Cartels. In the report, many of the Cartels are seen as operating as a type of de facto government in many of those municipalities, providing some services, but mostly concerned with running the drug trade and prostitution in many of these communities. While 80 municipalities are still a small number, the rise of the Drug Cartels in recent months and the killing of many Government officials and gun battles in many of Mexico’s municipalities does not help Calderon and Mexico’s government, police and army claim any real victories in its recent internal conflict. With successes in Colombia by Uribe’s government and the world media focusing on the terror from FARC guerillas, years of internal conflict inside Colombia may mirror the future of Mexico in its fight against well established drug cartels. The FARC, who for many exist solely for the expansion of the narcotics trade, still govern many parts of Colombia itself, including many smaller municipalities. With forty years of the FARC and at least thirty years of the narcotics trade in Colombia, Mexico might do well by working with Colombia to win back its towns and avoid a second FARC style government in Mexico. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] In Alejandro’s post on July 16th, he discusses a report by Mexico’s Attorney General’s Office which claims that more than 80 of 2,500 of Mexico’s municipalities are currently being controlled by Drug Cartels. In the report, many of the Cartels are seen as operating as a type of de facto government in many of those municipalities, providing some services, but mostly concerned with running the drug trade and prostitution in many of these communities. While 80 municipalities are still a small number, the rise of the Drug Cartels in recent months and the killing of many Government officials and gun battles in many of Mexico’s municipalities does not help Calderon and Mexico’s government, police and army claim any real victories in its recent internal conflict. With successes in Colombia by Uribe’s government and the world media focusing on the terror from FARC guerillas, years of internal conflict inside Colombia may mirror the future of Mexico in its fight against well established drug cartels. The FARC, who for many exist solely for the expansion of the narcotics trade, still govern many parts of Colombia itself, including many smaller municipalities. With forty years of the FARC and at least thirty years of the narcotics trade in Colombia, Mexico might do well by working with Colombia to win back its towns and avoid a second FARC style government in Mexico. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Latin America &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Colombia: Ingrid Betancourt Free after Seven Years as a FARC Hostage!!</title>
		<link>http://latinamerica.foreignpolicyblogs.com/2008/05/27/uribes-colombia-a-success-against-internal-conflict/#comment-981</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Last night many Colombians at home and abroad stayed up into the late hours of the night to hear the first free words from the rescued FARC captive and former Presidential Candidate Ingrid Betancourt. Ingrid was captured by the FARC seven years ago during her presidential campaign and has been used as a symbol of fear against the Colombian government and people ever since. Numerous attempts to negotiate via France, the US, Venezuela and Hugo Chavez and through Colombian leaders themselves had lead to numerous failures, until last night when a Colombian rescue operation used internal operatives and complex logistical planning and intelligence that resulted in a rescue that would outshine any of the four Rambo movies. Along with Ingrid, three American hostages were also freed and 14 other Colombian prisoners. The intelligence and raid that lead up to the rescue culminated over the last few months, beginning with Hugo Chavez obtaining the release of a handful of FARC hostages, rapidly leading to a heavy exchange of words between Chavez and Uribe. Increased tensions arose when Colombia took the fight against the FARC to a camp in Ecuador, killing one of their top leaders and a number of other leaders being captured or killed in the following weeks. Another significant event was the death of Marulanda, the top FARC commander dying of a heart attack. With the confusion in the FARC ranks and dozens of desertions, the command and control structure not only gave Colombian Special Forces the opportunity to win back the hostages, but also is slowly degrading the FARC from a force a few years ago of 18,000 members who were perched outside of Bogotá, to an estimated force of 9,000 troops hiding in the jungles. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Last night many Colombians at home and abroad stayed up into the late hours of the night to hear the first free words from the rescued FARC captive and former Presidential Candidate Ingrid Betancourt. Ingrid was captured by the FARC seven years ago during her presidential campaign and has been used as a symbol of fear against the Colombian government and people ever since. Numerous attempts to negotiate via France, the US, Venezuela and Hugo Chavez and through Colombian leaders themselves had lead to numerous failures, until last night when a Colombian rescue operation used internal operatives and complex logistical planning and intelligence that resulted in a rescue that would outshine any of the four Rambo movies. Along with Ingrid, three American hostages were also freed and 14 other Colombian prisoners. The intelligence and raid that lead up to the rescue culminated over the last few months, beginning with Hugo Chavez obtaining the release of a handful of FARC hostages, rapidly leading to a heavy exchange of words between Chavez and Uribe. Increased tensions arose when Colombia took the fight against the FARC to a camp in Ecuador, killing one of their top leaders and a number of other leaders being captured or killed in the following weeks. Another significant event was the death of Marulanda, the top FARC commander dying of a heart attack. With the confusion in the FARC ranks and dozens of desertions, the command and control structure not only gave Colombian Special Forces the opportunity to win back the hostages, but also is slowly degrading the FARC from a force a few years ago of 18,000 members who were perched outside of Bogotá, to an estimated force of 9,000 troops hiding in the jungles. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: R.Basas</title>
		<link>http://latinamerica.foreignpolicyblogs.com/2008/05/27/uribes-colombia-a-success-against-internal-conflict/#comment-929</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://latinamerica.foreignpolicyblogs.com/2008/05/27/uribes-colombia-a-success-against-internal-conflict/#comment-929</guid>
					<description>Good Day Mr. Gedan,

I will address your points accordingly.

1. Yes, the influence of the United States in Latin America historically has had many negative effects, but the effect of Leftist organisations on Colombia itself has had a greater negative effect on Colombia. If the point of view was that the US has had a negative effect in assisting abuses in Chile in the 70's, Guatemala in the 50's and 60's and Nicaragua and El Salvador in the 80's there would be a tremendous amount of support against the US. For Colombia, who is lacking support from its neighbours, and even having Chavez and others support the FARC kidnapping and help in raging a war inside Colombia itself, you would likely not get the same applause in Colombia as leftist leaders are not seen as a positive development in that one country because of the violence. That being said, I can understand why many would not want the US involved in any of their internal affairs, but I think with Colombia there was no other choice in the matter and aid was requested by Colombia from the US itself. It wasnt a fight for another political movemment, it was a well armed drug ring who were attacking the government itself. This must be accounted for.

The rhetoric however takes alot away from the real situation. Right now Uribe, as opposed to the US has gained alot of ground in the war against the FARC. Its Uribe who has succeeded or failed in this scenario, not the US. Leftist leaders who openly support the FARC run contrary to 90% of Colombians who have had their country ruined by conflict. If the labour movement and leftists did have anything to say, it would not place blame on the US, but address the conflict between Colombia and its labour leaders, which can be read about in past blogs. In reality, no country wishes that its soverignty be violated, but this should apply to both the US and Leftist leaders who take more than oral responses to internal issues facing Colombians.

2. I think there is a great misunderstanding of the FARC in comparing them to the IRA. I actually had the pleasure to study and live in the UK and there is simply one major issues that faces Colombia that does not face the IRA. The IRA is and has always been a political movement, not supported by intense poverty but based on ethnic and religious divisions and a historical mistreatment of that one community by the government as a whole. Remember, in 1916 the fight for Irish independence started and was won on some part with the establishment of the Republic of Ireland, but with Colombia there is a root cause in poverty, that has no real ethnic base, but was created as a fight for left wing challenges against the government in Colombia and has developed into a purely narcotics motivated movement that gains support from drug profits and the miserable poverty of many in Colombia. Often they have no other option but to try to provide for their family, despite the government and the FARC, not because they support them. A test of the FARC's influence is if they didnt exist, who would be their political support? While in Ireland it is clear who makes up that political movement even though they are unarmed and in Parliament, the FARC would not be represented in a political manner by the poor of Colombia and they would likely have no political wing in the Colombian political system at all. At best the comparison between Palestinians and ther Israelis might make a bit more sense, but the FARC has lost its political motivations long ago. Hence the predicament in dealing with them on a political level.

3.Diplomatically, the price of dealing with the FARC may create some tensions between Colombia and leftist leaders who do not wish to deal with the US or Colombia in any case. I believe the situation of Colombians is severe enough that any dispatch of the FARC by Uribe or another leader will gain much political credit in Colombia, where it actually matters. Many in Latin America deal with the US on fair terms, and to place Colombia as the only culprit in dealing with the US and the added issue in trying to quell a major violence problem will only matter to those who it effects, that being Colombians themselves...who doubtfully give little attention to any leftist leader when commenting on the FARC and their own country.

Remember, leftist leaders recently tried to do everything to legitimise the FARC in Colombia, I doubt the US is seen in a worse light that those who claim to support the FARC themselves in the greater scheme of things. I think in this one case the US is not the main issue, and those who live in Colombia are intensely aware of this I believe.

Thank you for your comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Day Mr. Gedan,</p>
<p>I will address your points accordingly.</p>
<p>1. Yes, the influence of the United States in Latin America historically has had many negative effects, but the effect of Leftist organisations on Colombia itself has had a greater negative effect on Colombia. If the point of view was that the US has had a negative effect in assisting abuses in Chile in the 70&#8217;s, Guatemala in the 50&#8217;s and 60&#8217;s and Nicaragua and El Salvador in the 80&#8217;s there would be a tremendous amount of support against the US. For Colombia, who is lacking support from its neighbours, and even having Chavez and others support the FARC kidnapping and help in raging a war inside Colombia itself, you would likely not get the same applause in Colombia as leftist leaders are not seen as a positive development in that one country because of the violence. That being said, I can understand why many would not want the US involved in any of their internal affairs, but I think with Colombia there was no other choice in the matter and aid was requested by Colombia from the US itself. It wasnt a fight for another political movemment, it was a well armed drug ring who were attacking the government itself. This must be accounted for.</p>
<p>The rhetoric however takes alot away from the real situation. Right now Uribe, as opposed to the US has gained alot of ground in the war against the FARC. Its Uribe who has succeeded or failed in this scenario, not the US. Leftist leaders who openly support the FARC run contrary to 90% of Colombians who have had their country ruined by conflict. If the labour movement and leftists did have anything to say, it would not place blame on the US, but address the conflict between Colombia and its labour leaders, which can be read about in past blogs. In reality, no country wishes that its soverignty be violated, but this should apply to both the US and Leftist leaders who take more than oral responses to internal issues facing Colombians.</p>
<p>2. I think there is a great misunderstanding of the FARC in comparing them to the IRA. I actually had the pleasure to study and live in the UK and there is simply one major issues that faces Colombia that does not face the IRA. The IRA is and has always been a political movement, not supported by intense poverty but based on ethnic and religious divisions and a historical mistreatment of that one community by the government as a whole. Remember, in 1916 the fight for Irish independence started and was won on some part with the establishment of the Republic of Ireland, but with Colombia there is a root cause in poverty, that has no real ethnic base, but was created as a fight for left wing challenges against the government in Colombia and has developed into a purely narcotics motivated movement that gains support from drug profits and the miserable poverty of many in Colombia. Often they have no other option but to try to provide for their family, despite the government and the FARC, not because they support them. A test of the FARC&#8217;s influence is if they didnt exist, who would be their political support? While in Ireland it is clear who makes up that political movement even though they are unarmed and in Parliament, the FARC would not be represented in a political manner by the poor of Colombia and they would likely have no political wing in the Colombian political system at all. At best the comparison between Palestinians and ther Israelis might make a bit more sense, but the FARC has lost its political motivations long ago. Hence the predicament in dealing with them on a political level.</p>
<p>3.Diplomatically, the price of dealing with the FARC may create some tensions between Colombia and leftist leaders who do not wish to deal with the US or Colombia in any case. I believe the situation of Colombians is severe enough that any dispatch of the FARC by Uribe or another leader will gain much political credit in Colombia, where it actually matters. Many in Latin America deal with the US on fair terms, and to place Colombia as the only culprit in dealing with the US and the added issue in trying to quell a major violence problem will only matter to those who it effects, that being Colombians themselves&#8230;who doubtfully give little attention to any leftist leader when commenting on the FARC and their own country.</p>
<p>Remember, leftist leaders recently tried to do everything to legitimise the FARC in Colombia, I doubt the US is seen in a worse light that those who claim to support the FARC themselves in the greater scheme of things. I think in this one case the US is not the main issue, and those who live in Colombia are intensely aware of this I believe.</p>
<p>Thank you for your comments!
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		<title>by: Benjamin N. Gedan</title>
		<link>http://latinamerica.foreignpolicyblogs.com/2008/05/27/uribes-colombia-a-success-against-internal-conflict/#comment-916</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 04:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You're right to point out the military successes of Uribe's campaign against the FARC. But there are several costs that you fail to mention:

Firstly, the assistance from the U.S. has allowed leftist leaders in Latin America to use Colombia as a symbol of American meddling in the region. I recently heard President Ortega of Nicaragua speak, at the Foro de São Paulo in Montevideo, Uruguay, where he said that the Uribe "dictatorship" has become "the most destabilizing government in Latin America." Representatives of leftist parties from more than a dozen countries applauded.

Secondly, as Tom Hayden recently wrote in The Nation, the military campaign against the FARC undermines the "the distinct possibility that the anti-government guerrilla movement in Columbia (FARC) may be gradually convinced to evolve into a political force, as the IRA did in Northern Ireland."

Perhaps the military campaign is still worthwhile, given the FARC's horrific history of drug trafficking, kidnapping and the murder of countless civilians. But if the Colombian military does ultimately destroy the FARC, it will have done so at a high diplomatic price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right to point out the military successes of Uribe&#8217;s campaign against the FARC. But there are several costs that you fail to mention:</p>
<p>Firstly, the assistance from the U.S. has allowed leftist leaders in Latin America to use Colombia as a symbol of American meddling in the region. I recently heard President Ortega of Nicaragua speak, at the Foro de São Paulo in Montevideo, Uruguay, where he said that the Uribe &#8220;dictatorship&#8221; has become &#8220;the most destabilizing government in Latin America.&#8221; Representatives of leftist parties from more than a dozen countries applauded.</p>
<p>Secondly, as Tom Hayden recently wrote in The Nation, the military campaign against the FARC undermines the &#8220;the distinct possibility that the anti-government guerrilla movement in Columbia (FARC) may be gradually convinced to evolve into a political force, as the IRA did in Northern Ireland.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps the military campaign is still worthwhile, given the FARC&#8217;s horrific history of drug trafficking, kidnapping and the murder of countless civilians. But if the Colombian military does ultimately destroy the FARC, it will have done so at a high diplomatic price.
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